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--- notes:webhosting [2025/06/29 03:57] – [See Also] scumsuck
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 I won't tell you what to use.  I'm a noob myself, and a hobbyist, and I don't know everything.  I use Vercel.  Some of my friends use Nearly Free Speech.  Some of my friends self host on a nintendo DS running Linux in their kitchen.  Others have their own preferences.  It all depends on what you need.
+===== At a glance... =====
+^ Site                                               ^ Pros                                                                            ^ Cons                                              ^
+| [[https://web1.0hosting.net/\\ |Web 1.0 Hosting]]  | * Free\\ * Furry Friendly \\ * Feature-rich (more options than neocities haha)  | Intentionally simple - very small 100mb storage.  |
 ===== Neocities =====
 It's free.  A lot of people use it.  It has social media features (profiles you can comment on, follower counts, likes on profile updates) so that gives you free serotonin and encourages you to post more if you like social media features.  There's some Bluesky integration so you connect poopoo.neocities.org as your bsky username.
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 Neocities is fairly "free speech" in that the TOS openly says you may see offensive and sexual content on there.  I have seen sites dedicated to racism, real death/gore photos, calls for genocide, and transphobia on there.  Those sites may or may not be deleted if you report them.  The dev has said that complete [[ https://bsky.app/profile/neocities.org/post/3lgbr3cld4k2z|generated sites are low quality spam]] and thus [[https://bsky.app/profile/neocities.org/post/3lgbt5722ls2z|against TOS and bannable]], but cannot and will not restrict users' use of genAI.
-On an interesting note, Neocities has a somewhat unspoken ban on "lolicon" and "shotacon" - sexual art of underage characters.  From emails I've been shown, this is due to legal reasons.  You may see some people slide under the radar with pornography of Naruto's ass.  You may know other people who get banned for the same reason.
+On an interesting note, Neocities has a somewhat unspoken ban on "lolicon" and "shotacon" - sexual art of underage characters - as well as under age related kinks like age play, abdl, and cub.  From emails I've been shown, this is due to legal reasons.  You may see some people slide under the radar with pornography of Naruto's ass.  You may know other people who get banned for the same reason.
+Not my screenshots:
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+<blockquote>
+[ID:
+Screenshot of email to neocities support:
+hello, i'm writing with questions about the tos.
+twitter going down has pushed a lot of nsfw and kink artists out onto unstable footing as newer platforms seem to go back and forth on what kind of content they allow.  many of us have opted for personal sites and would like to use neocities to build them, however the language around unlawful or harmful content and fetish material tends to be unclear.
+the neocities tos specifies that content transmitted must abide by us law.  for this reason, could you please define "child pornography" in reference to loli/shota, age play, abdl, cub, etc. and vulgar material in reference to kink generally as to what specifically is prohibited on neocities?
+End ID.]
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+[ID: Hello, For TOS purposes you should assume anything vaguely CP/CSAM related is very much not allowed on our platform.  We have had registrars threaten to pull our entire domain and all sites over reports, we have a zero tolerance policy and we're very much going to enforce it if we need to to prevent the entire site from being shut down.
+I get that the supreme court at some point decided animated/graphical is not included in the legal status, but at the end of the day it's a razor's edge for us to try to work with.  It's not really an ethics question, it's a resources question.  We don't have the resources to push back when our registrar says they don't like something and tries to pull our entire domain.
+Wish I had better answer for you, but I appreciate the email and thank you for requesting clarification.  End ID.]
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 There is [[https://github.com/kyledrake|one guy]] running the whole thing, and Neocities is not updated with many new features (though as an "old web" throwback it doesn't necessarily need many new features) or communications with users.  The official blog updates like once every 3 years.
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 ==== My opinion ====
-I haven't used it, and I don't have any reason to use it right now.  It seems like a direct "upgrade" to Neocities should you need the offered features, and if you trust the anonymous Discord group more than a faceless company like Github's Pages.  They have a lot of direct community activities and involvement, like making for-profit zines together.
+I haven't used it, and I don't have any reason to use it right now.  It seems like a direct "upgrade" to Neocities should you need the offered features, and if you trust the Discord group more than a faceless company like Github's Pages.  They have a lot of direct community activities and involvement, like making for-profit zines together, or their discord server.  That can be a pro or con depending on how much you want a community to be looking directly at your every site update.
-And with small tight-knit communities you get the pros and cons of friendship and breakups :P  They're relatively new as a site.  No telling how long they'll last as a host!  But you can always try it, and save your site if you ever wanna move.
+And with small tight-knit communities you get the pros and cons of friendship and breakups.  Both with the community and the admins, and the admins with each other! :P  They're relatively new as a site.  No telling how long they'll be up and financed!  But you can always try it, and save your site if you ever wanna move.
 ===== See Also =====
   * [[https://kalechips.net/stuff/hosting|Kalechips list of hosts]]
   * [[https://tempural.dreamwidth.org/1139.html|A list of free site hosts comparing for Adult Content policies that I wrote in 2022 and haven't updated since]]