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"Anasazi" is an outdated/offensive term for what is known as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_peoples|Pueblo people]]. It is likely that he is part of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ysleta_del_Sur_Pueblo|Tiguas]], "the only Pueblo in the State of Texas". The Tigua also have fought their own battle with Texas to operate the [[https://www.500nations.com/casinos/txSpeakingrockCasino.asp|Speaking Rock Casino in El Paso]], which viewers can see reflected in the episode [[https://kingofthehill.fandom.com/wiki/Redcorn_Gambles_With_His_Future|Redcorn Gambles With His Future]] where John gets his //Speaking Wind Casino// shut down by Texas. | "Anasazi" is an outdated/offensive term for what is known as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_peoples|Pueblo people]]. It is likely that he is part of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ysleta_del_Sur_Pueblo|Tiguas]], "the only Pueblo in the State of Texas". The Tigua also have fought their own battle with Texas to operate the [[https://www.500nations.com/casinos/txSpeakingrockCasino.asp|Speaking Rock Casino in El Paso]], which viewers can see reflected in the episode [[https://kingofthehill.fandom.com/wiki/Redcorn_Gambles_With_His_Future|Redcorn Gambles With His Future]] where John gets his //Speaking Wind Casino// shut down by Texas. |
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John is also described as "dripping in turquoise jewelry" by Dale Gribble in the casino episode, and [[https://libapps.salisbury.edu/nabb-online/exhibits/show/native-americans-then-and-now/pueblo-art/maria-martinez/pueblo-jewelry|turquoise is historically important to the Pueblo people]]. | John is also described as "dripping in turquoise jewelry" by Dale Gribble in the casino episode. [[https://libapps.salisbury.edu/nabb-online/exhibits/show/native-americans-then-and-now/pueblo-art/maria-martinez/pueblo-jewelry|Turquoise is historically important to the Pueblo people]], and can be found in large quantities in the Southwest United States. Hey, if Texas ain't Deep South it's gotta be Southwest... |
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[{{ drafts:2025:08_21_6040.png?200 | John giving a shy peace sign as Dale rizzes him up.}}] | [{{ drafts:2025:08_21_6040.png?200 | John giving a shy peace sign as Dale rizzes his sex appeal and turquoise jewelry.}}] |
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Some redditors believe that could actually have a surname that isn't Redcorn! And Redcorn may actually be his middle name or double name, much like how the character Joe Jack is referred to as "Joe Jack" and not just Joe. I find this interesting because my initial thought of why they call him fully "John Redcorn" and not just Johnny((John refers to himself as Johnny when talking about himself in multiple episodes, including the Thanksgiving episode and the casino episode)) was that it mirrors the way Kahn and Minh call Hank Hill and Peggy Hill by their full names. Calling someone by their full name was common when I was a kid when you had several guys with the same name((it was historically common among Asian immigrants to choose the most generic English name for your kid so they wouldn't stand out too much on government forms or amongst peers, and cuz it's easier to pronounce for the parents than something like Guinnevere, and so it's easier for English-language mains to pronounce too.)): think about talking about Jimmy Ngo and then trying to talk about Jimmy Yang. | Some redditors believe that could actually have a surname that isn't Redcorn! And Redcorn may actually be his middle name or double name, much like how the character Joe Jack is referred to as "Joe Jack" and not just Joe. I find this interesting because my initial thought of why they call him fully "John Redcorn" and not just Johnny((John refers to himself as Johnny when talking about himself in multiple episodes, including the Thanksgiving episode and the casino episode)) was that it mirrors the way Kahn and Minh call Hank Hill and Peggy Hill by their full names. Calling someone by their full name was common when I was a kid when you had several guys with the same name((it was historically common among Asian immigrants to choose the most generic English name for your kid so they wouldn't stand out too much on government forms or amongst peers, and cuz it's easier to pronounce for the parents than something like Guinnevere, and so it's easier for English-language mains to pronounce too.)): think about talking about Jimmy Ngo and then trying to talk about Jimmy Yang. |
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There's a connection with Native American culture there, because historically white Americans forced colonized people to adopt Anglicized names. | There's a connection between Asian and Native American culture with Anglicized names, because historically white Americans tried to christianize Native Americans and give them [[https://www.reddit.com/r/asklinguistics/comments/1lb5h2m/comment/mxq3kvw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button|Christian Names]] to integrate them in to white culture. Hell it was even government policy to force English names on Native American people as part of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detribalization#United_States|"detribalization"]], and as part of forced assimilation in [[https://web.archive.org/web/20050829051045/http://sacbee.com/static/archive/news/projects/native/day2_main.html|Christian missionary reservation schools.]] You'll see these names [[https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/dawes-act|documented in the Dawes Act]]. That's why some of the more common first names you'll see Native Americans people with are biblical names like [[https://web.archive.org/web/20131012054906/http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhibits/chiefjoseph/chiefjoseph01.htm|Joseph]], or indeed, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smith_(Chippewa_Indian)|John]]. |
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The main inconsistency is that the land that John is trying to reclaim (land back!) is not where the Pueblo people historically occupied. Any cultural/historical inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the show can be explained by John not knowing all thefacts about his ancestry, as many non-white people in the USA may find it difficult to trace their family, especially with 90's technological limitations. John Redcorn may be of mixed ancestry, and only choosing to tell Bobby about the Pueblo part of his heritage. And the show was mostly written by non Native American people, and created by a white guy, and those dudes probably aren't the most knowledgeable about Native American culture. | It's could be that that John has a unknown surname, and he simply does not tell anyone because it's too hard for white people to pronounce, or they don't care to learn his last name. Or his surname just something completely mundane like Smith, but the white characters prefer to call him "Redcorn" as it cements his position as the one Indian dude of the town. Or maybe his last name is just Redcorn. |
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Many of these cultural clues for John's heritage are going to be jumbled up because white American writers often confuse different Native American tribes for each other, and put them under just a big "Native American" name. It's pretty similar to how American writers mix up different aspects of Asian culture, like (example) thinking Japanese people celebrate Chinese New Year and do Tae Kwon Do (that's Korean!). There's also the aspect of US American culture for non-white people in real life BEING mixed up together - Asian Americans kids often hang out with each other, regardless if they're Indian or Vietnamese or Chinese, because they're already being thrown under the Asian umbrella by their non-Asian peers, and there is a little bit of shared culture from immigration and food and parenting and stuff. | It's been pretty fun to read through internet threads of people asking "why do Indians have funny long names" and then watching people clap back with "they're translated you pee pee head, like how your totally "normal" white English name probably translates to Fears God and Jesus, Son of Smith The Third if we were to write about you as an exotic foreigner". |
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| ==== Cumclusion ==== |
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| The main inconsistency is that the land that John is trying to reclaim (land back!) is not where the Pueblo people historically occupied. Any cultural/historical inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the show can be explained by John not knowing all thefacts about his ancestry, as many non-white people in the USA may find it difficult to trace their family, especially with 90's technological limitations. John Redcorn may be of mixed ancestry, and only choosing to tell Bobby about the Pueblo part of his heritage. And the show was mostly written by non Native American people, and created by a white guy, and those dudes probably aren't the most knowledgeable about Native American culture. |
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| Many of these cultural clues for John's heritage are going to be jumbled up because white American writers often confuse different Native American tribes for each other, and put them under just a big "Native American" name. It's pretty similar to how American writers mix up different aspects of Asian culture, like (example) thinking Japanese people celebrate Chinese New Year and do Tae Kwon Do (that's Korean!). A lot of King of the Hill is based on stereotypes for all the characters, whether they're white conservative law-mowing rednecks or over-achieving Asians escaping their home country's genocide. |
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| There's also the aspect of US American culture for non-white people in real life BEING mixed up together - Asian Americans kids often hang out with each other, regardless if they're Indian or Vietnamese or Chinese, because they're already being thrown under the Asian umbrella by their non-Asian peers, and there is a little bit of shared culture from immigration and food and parenting and stuff. Hell as I've said before, when I was growing up I tended to latch onto ANY of the rare characters or cool people that was not just some white dude (lemme tell you about how Asian kids LOVED Rey Mysterio...) because... being non-white is its own sort of upbringing in the majority-white United States!! |
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| But anyways. That's enough for today. I feel like I can talk about racial stereotypes in cartoons all day long let alone the way they're handled (for better or worse or surprisingly woke for the 90's in the era of South Park and shock jock radio) in King of the Hill LMAO don't you hold your breath for my blog post about Kahn and Connie! |